i don't usually start non-jw threads, but i was wondering about other places to move to.
i live in atlanta and while i love a lot of things about it, sometimes i think about moving on.
i was in south florida for the first thirty-five years and have been here for the last fourteen.
I don't usually start non-JW threads, but I was wondering about other places to move to. I live in Atlanta and while I love a lot of things about it, sometimes I think about moving on. I was in south Florida for the first thirty-five years and have been here for the last fourteen. Tell me where you think would be a nice place to live. Boring topic I know, but its something weighing heavy on my mind now. Stay or move again.
Steve
this film is intense.
as you've read by now, the film depicts the last 12 hours in jesus' life.
everything you've heard about the graphic violence of this film is true.
A few years ago I got into a debate with a JW on the Internet concerning the stake verses cross thing. So, I decided I would go to the local library here and research it the subject so I could speak more intelligently about it. Well all I can say is, if the "Passion of the Christ " movie relates the brutality of that time, then its right on target with history.
When I got to the library I just started pulling reference books off shelves with no bias as to which ones. BTW, it would have been very unlikely that Jesus would have been crucified on a stake or a pole (or anyone else in that time frame for that matter). It was the custom for the Romans to make their victims carry the pantabelum (the cross section of the cross) across their shoulders on the way to the place of crucifixion. Once there they laid the victim down and affixed the pantebelum portion to the pole (vertical) section and then raised it upwards and the whole contraption fell into a dugout hole in the ground. The pole portion stayed pretty much at the site and the pantebelum portion was kind of portable and was carried back for another victim to be saddled with it, and the whole process would start again. Wood was fairly scarce in many areas, so recycling was in order.
As to the cruelty, it was unmatched in human history and I believe even unto this day (including the Holocaust). People were hung on all matter of crosses. There were X type crosses. There were stakes with side beams attached to stretch out the victim?s limbs. There were upside down crosses as well. The brutality was so bad that many of the current day reporters wouldn?t record the goings on. Of course some did. Its funny, but today it?s practically fashionable to wear a cross around the neck, but in those days it was a great shame to have a loved one crucified on a cross. It was reserved for the most despicable characters according to Roman law and thought.
After reading for about a half day about this portion of history I could read no longer, as it sickened me so. Its amazing just how inhuman man can treat man. So, if the movie attempts to portray this period of time of man?s history as a brutal one, then its not just brutality for brutality?s sake set in a movie.
After doing my research that day I was very grateful to live in the time we do.
I?ll be seeing this movie. I?ve ?read the book? already.
Steve
ever since leaving the jws, i believe i've become much more intelligent.
i now have to learn from my past mistakes rather than viewing my mistakes as a result of satan's influence.
i now know how to prevent myself from making the same mistakes rather than repeating them due to ignoring the facts.
I think, so therefore I'm not a JW.
the witnesses portray jesus and all of the diciples with short hair...."the world" portrays them with long.
is this just a ploy to back their viewpoints on being clean cut and clean shaven?.
just curious.
"The Witnesses portray Jesus and all of the diciples with short hair...."The World" portrays them with long. Is this just a ploy to back their viewpoints on being clean cut and clean shaven?"
Nah, the Watchtower Society just doesn?t acknowledge Jesus' punk days when he toured with a rock band.
Rock on Jes'!
Steve
ever since leaving the jws, i believe i've become much more intelligent.
i now have to learn from my past mistakes rather than viewing my mistakes as a result of satan's influence.
i now know how to prevent myself from making the same mistakes rather than repeating them due to ignoring the facts.
Wiser to be sure. I'm not so sure that one becomes more intellegernt due to external circumstances.
Not to split hairs with you, but intelligent is more like aptitude. You have what you got, kinda like I.Q. Wisdom is the growing ability to make sense of what you continue to go through in life (the ability to learn from your experiences). That should always be changing, cuz life doesn?t remain static. If I have to depend on my intelligence growing, then I?m in a bad way. :-)
Steve
i worked in the cable industry for awhile and each year we would go to a convention in which stations would promote themselves to keep our business.
in doing this, there were always the adult channels represented, as well.
while i walked the floor and met people from showtime, hbo and other stations.
spiritwalker,
Funny you mention tea. I am currently thinking of getting into the whole tea 'thing'. I've been reading a lot about the herbal teas and have a keen interest in this topic. I bought some generic green tea and I like it. It comes in many flavors. Are you really in to teas? Geesh, its a whole industry I wasn't really aware of. Do you really drink 'rose tea', or were you just playing with my analogy?
Steve
Just wanted to add this footnote, considering you are the author of this thread. I don?t usually get into the pro?s and con?s of pornography on a discussion board even though I?m personally against the medium. For one reason, I don?t believe in censorship even if it may be something that I personally find objectionable and making a stand against porn can make a person be perceived that he?s pro-censorship, and secondly cuz I don?t like coming off like a prude, as I am not one. Fact is, I have had a fairly wild life when it comes to sex. It started off for me by ?doing? my best friend?s mom when I was just sixteen and it kinda went from there. So while I?m on the side against porn because of how I believe it has an overall negative influence on its players and on its audience that doesn?t mean that I would try to stop people from doing what they want to do.
Now keeping with my analogy. An idealist knows that a rose makes great tea, so it should make even better soup? J
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i don't know if it's just me but at times i get confused as to who's male or female here.
for the record, i'm a man.
Well, according to the Watchtower Society I'm a devil. Ergo, I am niether male or female. I am Legion. Booga Booga! (LOL)
i worked in the cable industry for awhile and each year we would go to a convention in which stations would promote themselves to keep our business.
in doing this, there were always the adult channels represented, as well.
while i walked the floor and met people from showtime, hbo and other stations.
Spiritwalker, |
I read your post, and you have a very idealistic point of view of the porn industry and how it affects those (women) who have been involved with it.
You know the difference between an idealist and a realist? The idealist believes that since a rose smells better than a potatoe, it should therefore make even better soup! The realist knows the better.
is it my imagination, or do jehovah witnesses have an "everyone is against me" attitude??
our daughter-in-law (who is a jw) seems to have this mind-set.
whether its getting the car repaired, going to the doctor, work done on the house, etc., they all have "ripped her off".
I tend to think this is more of a personality trait, as I have this ,"they're out to get me" in many people I have known throughout my lifetime who were and weren't JW's
okay?i?m 14 years old.
my father has been a j.w for all of my life.
my parents got divorced when i was 6, and then my mom was later disfellowshiped.
Hey blink,
You?re gonna be just fine. You already have the greatest advantage in your corner, and that is your mom?s understanding of your situation and her support. I?m quite sure your dad loves you, but as you probably realize, he?s under the influence of the Watchtower Society. What HE does and chooses to decide for HIS life is his decision. What you do for YOUR life is YOUR decision, right? Right. So continue to look to your mom for support and try and distance yourself from the "Organization" at the same time. At fourteen I would think you should have at least some freedoms. Perhaps its time to tell your dad that your won?t be going to all the meetings anymore. Or maybe you may have decided to stop going all together? You sound like you are very much where I was at fourteen. My dad was not a JW and my mom was. And when I was about fourteen, I decided I wasn?t going to the K. Hall anymore and I had the unspoken but nevertheless present support of my dad. So I stopped going. It didn?t make my mom happy, but it did me! Unfortunately a few years later (due to my mom?s constant nagging abut 1975) I allowed myself to be coerced back into believing in the organization and got baptized and later got married, only to finally realize that my decision to leave at fourteen was the correct choice. Sadly it took several years to come to that conclusion.
Every situation is different and I?m not suggesting a formula to you here. You have to weigh all the considerations that are unique to you situation and then act. Certainly, you aren?t going to get baptized at this point, so there?s no worries there.
OK, now what I?m about to suggest you be very careful and thoughtful about, ok? Do you spend time with both parents? If so, I?m sure they both cherish the time they have with you. Well, if I were in your situation, I would let it be known to my dad that I no longer want to be actively involved with the meetings and that goes with it. Or, maybe you could start the process of ?teaching? him about what your wishes are a bit at a time? It doesn?t mean you don?t love him, it means he has learn to respect who you are as you continue to grow and become the individual that you are going to be. This can be a threatening proposition for any parent. But allowing your kids to develop into who they are without controlling them in the process is what it means to be a good parent and advisor.
Don?t fall for any of the fear tactics that he may decide to parrot of the Society?s, about those who leave. That?s a simple but effective manipulation placed onto the Jehovah?s Witness by those in control who don?t want to loose their control. You don?t need the Watchtower Society, it needs you. When the JW realizes that, the organization looses control. But it sounds like you got that figured out already.
Remember this, as it will become more and more important to you go/grow through the years. You make your way through this world ultimately, and you have to decide what is and what is not best for you. It?ll be all right. Just be true to who you are as you discover that along the way.
Good luck in your journey.
Steve L.
